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for about a decade. in watertown, nbc news justice correspondent and atf agent james cavanaugh and analyst roger cressy. live in watertown, we were listening together as kerry sanders was moved further and further back. what are you seeing? >> he is a few blocks away from here, but we are not hearing anything that he is hearing. it's quiet in this part of watertown. the helicopter that had been circling for the past few hours is no longer here. we have seen tactical units leave and others come back in. we haven't seen anything like kerry has been seeing a few blocks away from where we are standing. we don't want to give away too much because the police asked that we don't give out tactical information, but we are going on hour ten of a lockdown. people are not outside. maybe all of four or five residents come around to the area. that's very unusual whenever there is a media staging area people ask what is going on. we have seen none of that. people are heeding the warnings to stay inside. police have been going from door-to-door trying to see if they can find suspect number two, the guy in
to the suspect to give himself up. to talk about it with us now is james cavanaugh, atf former special agent, don, former agent in charge of the field houston office and clint van zandt. james, what stood out to you on the press conference just now? >> we got a lot of information from the superintendent there. we know that he fled on foot and so that tells us a lot of things. we know he was in a shootout just prior to that and from an eyewitness that msnbc had on today, we know he had a handgun. we don't know of a reported rifle that we saw or we have any information, only a pistol. so he drives through the police cordoned and he has a handgun, we believe he does. but he's not carrying full of bombs. he could have a suicide vest on. that could be the worst case scenario. the bad part is, he knows how to carjack a car and i've had people in this situation before, fugitives running from us when we're in hot pursuit, they have a gun and that's exactly what they do because they have done it before. so a guy carjacked a car before, he carjacks another car. so if people turn up missing and haven't come
now is msnbc analyst and former atf special agent james cavanaugh. james, what are you studying in these advice released today? >> well, we looked at them carefully this afternoon, trying to see how these guys interacted with each other. the task force has done a great job. look at number two. i call him white hat. he's got that light-colored top on his backpack, and the parcel fits with video we have seen in the week, pete williams has reported on. and we looked at that carefully, and that's the scene of the blast of the second bomb. so this guy has planted the second bomb. we looked at the dark hat guy as they walk. it's just interesting that the dark hat guy looks a little older, walks in the front. and his bomb detonates first. they don't have a video of him planting the bomb. but the -- special agent in charge said they pieced it together. and what they pieced together was the backpack. i'm sure they pieced together the backpack. it's possible he could have laid his hat on the backpack. so they could have found the hat and the backpack. but they were able from the video to
to that tonight on "hardball." let me get back to james cavanaugh. there have been any developments today in the pursuit of the guilty? >> still trying to release the pictures, chris, decide if they're going to release the photographs of the bombers or suspected bombers in the case. if they do, it's going to ramp things up fast for those investigators and in a command post. i halfway expect them to do it. because the bomber believes the investigators have their picture and that developed yesterday. when it broke into national media. so if i was commanding the case, i'm sure these commanders are thinking that way. i'm always trying to think like the bomber. not necessarily think like the detective. so you've got to get ahead of them. i think it's going to be fast moving later this afternoon in development. >> yes, thank you. let me go back to mayor flynn. mayor flynn, i tell you, this wasn't something that happened by accident, it happened because of horror. i wish we did more of this. didn't you get that feeling watching this service, why don't we do this once in a while like we do the ma
agent in charge, james cavanaugh and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. we're operating in real-time now, about an hour after this was out, people now know what these people look like, a pretty good look at them. the people who know them know that they see them or recognize them or not. they know who they are. many people may know where they are right now, what court country they come from, maybe here in the united states, we don't know. what we don't know is if it's possibly overseas. >> chris, as you and i have talked the last couple of days, this was a terrible incident was that easy for one, easier for two people to do it. now we see that it was two. they backpacked these devices in. what we find is very elaborate plans. planning goes in to carrying it out but not a lot of planning goes into the escape plan. the bottom line right now is that if these two men are still in the united states, i think within 24 to 36 hours they are going to be in custody. we've got 310 million sets of eyes just in this country. if it were you or i trying to get out of this court, we can't get in
that shows that reaction. joining me now is msnbc analyst and former atf special agent james cavanaugh. james, what are you studying in these advice released today? >> well, we looked at them carefully this afternoon, trying to see how these guys interacted with each other. the task force has done a great job. look at number two. i call him white hat. he's got that light-colored top on his backpack, and the parcel fits with video we have seen in the week, pete williams has reported on. and we looked at that carefully, and that's the scene of the blast of the second bomb. so this guy has planted the second bomb. we looked at the dark hat guy as they walk. it's just interesting that the dark hat guy looks a little older, walks in the front. and his bomb detonates first. they don't have a video of him planting the bomb. but the -- special agent in charge said they pieced it together. and what they pieced together was the backpack. i'm sure they pieced together the backpack. it's possible he could have laid his hat on the backpack. so they could have found the hat and the backpack. but they were
at this point. >> let's bring in james cavanaugh, former atf special agent who led the investigations into the atlanta olympic bombings. james, you've department with these kind of cases. you heard michael isikoff saying they have a four-day jump on us. what would you be concerned about tonight if you were working this case and what would make you feel more emboldened if you worked this case? >> mike's right. you can count on the bombers watching the news conference. they are seeing this. and wherever they are, they are making a decision to fight or flight, barricade, try to get somewhere else to hide. look what's happened here. the second part of your question, how did this transpire? the white hat, mr. white hat -- >> all right. >> he's the guy on the lord & taylor video probably placing that bomb that's in the backpack where you see it covered with the white right next to the trash dbag that you've seen on "nightly news." so white hat is seen -- the fbi said we had him on video placing the device. he's placing the device. they don't have blue hat placing the device. so what they do
special agent in charge, james cavanaugh. he retired in 2010 after more than 30 years. was the lead investigator on the atlanta olympic bombings. the last time there was a bombing whose basic facts, not perpetrator, was the centennial park bombing. it was a high security, outdoor sporting event with a huge public presence. the weapon used was a pipe bomb and one person was killed by 111 were injured. james, i guess the question to you was how do you begin trying to track down who did this? obviously, there's a wealth of data presented in those pixels. pete williams talked about getting the fragments of the pressure cooker. where are you going igt rooigt now if you're an investigator? >> chris, the way this work is this investigation is basically an iceberg. the part you see is the small top. the agents and detectives on the ground in boston picking up the fragments of the bomb debris, picking up the bomb components. they're going to the hospital, retrieving component parts from victims, from doctors and they're putting that device together and their going to be able to put that devi
is a former fbi special agent in charge of the houston office. james cavanaugh was special agent in charge of the atf. earlier tonight you were cautioning us to be patient. hard for the news industry to be patient. tell me what the people out there looking for those particles and studying them in a laboratory and profiling as far as perhaps foreign involvement, how are they going about their work starting with yesterday? >> well, first of all, chris, you know, you've got to get organized. the one thing i think the government is doing and the law enforcement and so forth is doing is trying to take care of those people who are hurt and families of wounded and so forth. then we go into the investigate which really starts right from the beginning. and they've got to take their time and really do this the right way. examine everything and go through it like a fine toothed comb as we would say down here in texas. and make sure that they've got all of the details. because a case like this, you're not going to start this case overnight. and i know that we've become accustomed to, let's get it done
the -- in this case the killers from the crowd and we'll know who did that. >> let me go over to mr. cavanaugh. james, it seems to me a picture dh can be blown up and stud did, what more would you want actually than someone dropping the black bag and walking away from the bomb site? >> chris, i've worked many cases over the years with no pictures at all. so it is extremely valuable. it's going to be the thing that breaks the case wide open. it's going to be the achilles hill of the bomber who clint will tell you, and good to see you, clint. we've worked together many years ago. it's going to be his achilles heel. he went to the marathon for the stage of terrorism. he wanted the attention. and what's going to undo him is the attention. the cameras he wanted are going to be his undoing. i hope the fbi and the atf, the boston police, state police, u.s. attorney, the task force, i hope that they'll release those pictures. i think they'll get the guy identified pretty quickly. i do think they probably tried to, and i've done the same thing in many cases. we did it with the d.c. sniper. clint's done it bef
and it was not and now we know. >> nbc's kerry sanders. joining us now is james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf as well as special agent in charge. take me inside dzhokhar's head right now. his older brother is dead. he is being hunted. he is hated. his own uncle was on television. sort of denouncing him. what is his mood and what will hostage negotiators be trying to work with as they prepare for what they hope isdzhokhar that is alive inside a building? >> dzhokhar's world was one thing up till he planted these devices monday. he thought it was going the way he wanted to go. till he turned on the television last night and the task force released his photograph. and that's when he went on a roller coaster ride of panic, mission, suicide, flight, fight. i mean, a roller coaster ride is the best way to describe this guy's mental state probably since last night when those photographs come out. he thought he was in control. even though that control was mass murder. and evil. he still thought and his brother still thought they were in control. but they lost control when they realized they were goin
to bring in james cavanaugh, nbc news law enforcement analyst and former atf special agent in charge. and with us -- he's with us from nashville. here with me in the studio, robert mcfadden is a former senior ncis official and senior vice president at the suffan group. james, i have to ask you, we've seen so much wild speculation recently. we've seen photos on the cover of the "new york post" that we're not going to show because they turned out to be wrong. how much of that actually ends up harming an investigation by creating sort of false starts? >> well, it is complicated to an investigation, and the commanders, you know, have to wrestle with that in a big media case like this. the even steady reporting is good because it kind of keeps it on the level, just like you saw pete do, it's very pragmatic. so it's difficult to deal with it when you're running a big case like this. for example, the d.c. sniper. we had a lot of issues like that as well. you know, the frenzy to get the story first out. you know, it's not really a necessary -- it's better to get it accurate. this case is mov
chief and as mr. secretary, i wanted to bring in james cavanaugh, an nbc news and msnbc analyst and a retired atf special agent in charge. mr. cavanaugh, tom ridge and i were talking earlier about the fact that one of the suspects, tamerlan, the older brother, when he was killed, had an ied on him. had some sort of a device strapped around him and that has to be a concern as well. with his younger brother, who is still at large. >> it's a federal event, andrea, in american law enforcement history, that last night, united states police killed a suicide bomber on american soil. and that point of fact, is sort of lost in the greater emergency. but last night, united states police killed a suicide bomber right here and there's another potential and probable suicide bomber still unaccounted for in watertown. so it's really, remain as critical situation. and we know this is a hard fact. the guy had the ied strapped on him as the governor said. we know as a hard fact that suicide is a pillar, an adeal of al qaeda. we know it for a fact. it's a single-most important thing to be a member
, robert mcfadden, former atf special agent in charge, james cavanaugh. robert mcfadden, we haven't had you on yet. thank you for joining us right now about this manhunt, down to one suspect. of course, he's apparently quite desperate. he should be. he has, perhaps, weaponry, may have bombs, ieds. certainly the first people that catch him are going to have a real frightening situation on his hands based on this desperation. your thought ls? >> absolutely. as it's been said before, it's the goal right now if he could be captured, captured alive, come in for interrogation. absolute priority is officer safety and public safety. every officer has to get home tonight safely. you know, so you have the area cordoned off. they'll probably expand that and then do re-searches of the area, too. but, you know, we all know that the best of the s.w.a.t. from boston pd and the fbi are on the case right now. >> yeah. looks like it. let me go to james cavanaugh. sir, you've been great the last few days. what is your latest info or analysis right now, what we're watching here, with so much information about
engel, thank you so much for your expertise on this. thanks so much. joining us now, james cavanaugh, former hostage negotiator for the atf, and an msnbc analyst. good afternoon to you, sir. >> hello, martin. >> night will be falling soon. there is a possibility of rain. how much more difficult is it to do and continue the scale of this manhunt under the cover of darkness or does darkness give additional facilities to the law enforcement teams that are operating in boston? >> well, it's kind of a cuts both ways. you're exactly right. you know, darkness is always on the minds of the tactical commanders. they're working through that. and they'll be able to work at night, but certainly prefer daylight. so they're going to try to squeeze that perimeter down and find white hat before dark. you know, the worst scenarios that can play for them now is that he's inside a house and he's holding someone. i mean, that would be not a good situation. that would be bad. and the second one would be that he slipped the perimeter. you know, i've had many fugitive hunts over almost four decades and i c
inside that apartment as well. i want to bring in james cavanaugh, an msnbc analyst, also a retired atf special agent in charge and also a former hostage negotiator. mr. cavanaugh, good to see you. first of all, let's start with the hostage negotiator who was on the scene last night. based on your experience as a negotiator, what do we think he said to the suspect to get him out of that boat? >> they threw a flash bang at the boat. the way it transpired apparently was the massachusetts state police, s.w.a.t. on one side and atf special response team on the other, they brought in the boston police and fbi hrt, the flash bang diversionary device was deployed and a negotiator talked him out of the boat. now, what would the negotiator likely say? >> yeah. >> you would say dzhokhar, dzhokhar, are you hurt? and you would, you know, try to get a reply. yes, no, you know. are you hurt? yes. do you want to come out? yes. >> okay. that could be the complete negotiation right there. so in that small phrase, it's a concern for the person's well-being, which is genuine, but it's also some way to dif
are joined tonight by james cavanaugh, former special agent of atf. he's with us from nashville. and mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in our rearview mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we've just learned about these two guys, what they were able to do, and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, brian, i think the thing that worried me most after it broke, and tuesday, was that this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. and i think it really was. and that's evidenced by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. you know, these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices, and if they had got away they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i've been there before on the sniper case. i had been there on the eric rudolph case. i'd been there on a series of bombings on abortion
assistant agent in charge of the fbi nypd joint terrorism task force, don borelli, and james cavanaugh, retired special agent in charge for theatf, now an analyst for msnbc. we don't know will it was domestic, foreign, or perhaps an exchange student here. we don't know what mix it might be. >> right. one of the challenges, need to know, journalists need to know, america wants to know, bostonians want to know. everybody is doing their very, very best. as the other individuals sharing this podium, this conversation with you today will tell you have to put together the pieces. it's incremental. it's labor intensive. we'll get there sooner or later. it's a very tough and challenging investigation. >> don borelli, why did it take hours and days decide to go public with pictures they've apparently had now for at least a day or two? >> well, chris, you always want to try to keep the element of surprise on your side. as soon as you release photos and you say, this is the person we're looking for, then obviously you've tipped your hand and that person knows. it gives them the opportunity to des
. but we're still pretty far off from getting a real breakthrough in this case. >> james cavanaugh, an asset that the fbi and police do not have is the ability to trace gunpowder. why do they not have that ability now? >> that was blocked in the '70s. these were little taggants, the size of a period on a piece of paper. i was around at the time, we trained with them, they were magnetic and they would glow in the dark. we would go out with magnets, special gloves, black lights, and we could actually recover these taggants after a bomb detonated and be able to tell us the date shift code, which is basically the lot and serial number of a batch of dynamite. we were very excited about it. we sent some of those explosives into the field, a homicide case was solved in the baltimore division with it but eventually when it got to the hill, gun lobby got involved, basically said, you know, if you let the atf tag explosives, next they are going to tag the powder and then road den drons and whatever. it hurt many bombing cases which is atf is particularly interested in solving 40 years ago an
by james cavanaugh, former special agent of atf. he's with us from nashville. mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in the rear-view mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we have just learned about these two guys and what they were able to do and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, i think the thing that worried me most is after it broke and tuesday was this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. i think it really was. that's evidented by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices and if they had got away, they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i have been there before on the sniper case. i had been there in the eric rudolph case, on a series of bombings on abortion clinics and other killers and i always knew that you have to
is a former fbi profiler, also an nbc analyst. james cavanaugh is a retired atf special agent, also an msnbc and nbc news analyst. thanks for coming back, guys. let's start here, clint. at this point, where are federal investigators likely to focus their investigation to determine whether these brothers, in fact, acted alone? >> you have got some immediate things they have got to do and they have got some long term. we want to assure all the investigative agencies and especially the public in the boston area there are no more devices, nothing out there with a two-week timer sitting on it or anything like that that these guys might have set. not only did they built the pressure cooker bombs but told happened held ieds, pipe bombs. and find out if anybody in the area was supporting them in the activities, the investigations go on from there. where did they get the training? investigators in their own mind are comfortable that the 26-year-old was the leader, the 19-year-old was the follower. but where did the 26-year-old get his inspiration? not only what was the origin of it, but you did anybo
, they are standing outside the door talking to the agent who are doing the interview. >> james cavanaugh, former atf agent in charge. thanks you, james. i want to go back to michael isikoff. more importantly, right now, he is in the happiest place on the eastern seaboard, in watertown, massachusetts, where residents are literally standing in the streets cheering an clapping for law enforcement as they go by. michael, seems like it is getting more crowded and maybe more boisterous. >> it is definitely festive. but if we can take the discussion to where you just were. >> sure. >> there are a lot of important questions here that people will want answers to. the principal one, how did these two guys -- [ inaudible ] become radical. how did this happen. we learned some new information today that actually is intriguing. the older brother, the gone to rush why for six months last year. we don't know where in russia he went. but he went. we don't know who he spoke to, who he met with. but he comes back and within one month of his return to the united states, that youtube account in his name pops up. august
to bripg in candice delong, a former profiler who helped with the unibomber and james cavanaugh. good to have you. candice, let me start with you. from all the reports about the content of the bomb, there's new pictures we just saw a few moments ago. pictures of a battery pack, pictures of a circuit board, bbs nails into that pressure cooker. in your experience, what can these things tell us? >> what they can tell us is the experience level of the bomber. have they done this kind of thing before? do they have military training or did they get this out of the anarchists cookbook if you will, or something off the internet. it doesn't look like the damage regarding this is insignificant. it didn't look to me like it's a highly sophisticated bombmaker. >> would that be an indication this might be the work of someone who's not necessarily an expert? >> it could mean it is the work of someone who's not necessarily an expert or more than one person. >> what might the fact that no one or no group at this point has claimed responsibility, what might that tell us about the suspect or suspects?
that the smoke has quite literally cleared we are joined tonight by james cavanaugh, former special agent of atf. he's with us from nashville. mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in the rear-view mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we have just learned about these two guys and what they were able to do and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, i think the thing that worried me most is after it broke and tuesday was this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. i think it really was. and that's evidenced by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police, and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices and if they had got away, they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i have been there before on the sniper case. i had been there in the eric rudolph case, i've been there on a series of bom
, horrible, god-awful, and we have to get to the got tom of this. >> do you agree, james cavanaugh, the argument by the congressman, chairman of the committee makes the case, look, if this guy is a dangerous fugitive, we pick him up, he's in the process of committing crimes, we he's a danger to the community. we interview him until we get all we can from them and get around to mirandizing him, getting a lawyer, a judge. he said the judge showed up out of nowhere and basically stopped the interrogation. does that sound like you to be bad justice, bad law enforcement? >> well, we get right into, chris, the greatest things of our democracy here. the three branches on government. i've never had a judge come to an initial appearance like that. i've had him come out at night if we needed it an an injured person or called them. the normal course of business is the law enforcement agents bring the defendant or ask the judge to come if the defendant was hospitalized to conduct an initial appearance because they've arrested the person. if the judge decided to call the assistant u.s. attorney
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is sending a team. james cavanaugh is a former special agent. >> good morning. >> this national response team, as i understand it is essentially the elite bomb team. what is that you are expertise, and what do you expect their role to be? >> they'll rum a bomb investigation, very similar to what you've seen in boston. they have agents that do the mine news fragments, the scene, the crater, the arson, and then the white collar commanders and investigators and enter viewers. theme team up with the texas state fire marshal and department of public safety to do that. teal bring a investigation to bear to see what caused this explosion and killed these people. >> i imagine the primary concern is whether or not it was an intentional act. we stress against that the early assessments is that it appears to be an accident. how quickly might a team be able to ascertain something like that? >> it will take a number of days. >> it's a hot scene right now. literally it's got to be made safe, victims recovered and saved. sometimes things aren't what they appear. i would think this is an industrial accident
or the other. >> pete, thank you very much. james cavanaugh is a special agent, who worked on a number of cases including the olympic park bombing. good morning to you. what do you think of the photographs? how important or unimportant? >> i think they are very significant. placement of the bomb and design of the bomb give you a picture into this bomber. the overall motive may not be known. the specific goal is known. it is mass murder. the marathon was his stage. by looking at the devices. these are hellish and dibolical, and filled with nails, maybe directional f that is the bomb in front of the curb there, it may be facing back toward the crowd. earlier pictures had a lot of people in the crowd. he is trying to gain mass murder. he killed three people and wounded 176. he didn't kill -- this is a guy who wanted to kill a hundred people. that is kig cant to the commanders to try to have insight as to who they are dealing with. >> teams of investigators are looking for every fragment of these devices that they can find. they could be looking on the tops of believes, imbedded in the bui
'll come back to you the second you have news. in the meantime we will go on to the squawk news line. james cavanaugh is retired special agent and nbc analyst and involved with the waco bomber and the atlanta olympics bombing investigations. good morning to you. >> reporter: hello. this is jim, how are you? >> thank you for joining us. big issue this morning. can you or how do you begin to take the suspect alive? you do. >> boston should feel good. the coward number two is probably barricaded there in his own home. the third person that was apprehended could be the relative that they were talking about that might have made some threats. the key issue with the bar is for the tactical commander is whitehead number two alone or is he there with another person. that's what you will want to find out. you're setting up the perimeter for the tactical teams. i've been watching a live feed it's state police, s.w.a.t., police srt which is atf s.w.a.t. and all of these team, you have the city police s.w.a.t., all of these teams have the tactical agents with the armored vehicle and they're all equipped
his son being an injle. angel. the family knew nothing? james fox? are you there? we seem to have lost his microphone, but we will go to jim cavanaugh again. you were deeply involved in the unibomber case and i am thinking about ted kosinski and there was no doubt about his mental state even among his family. is it possible that nobody close to them, nobody in the immediate family had a clue? >> that is possible. they could have been radicalized through the internet and contacts. they clearly have people as clint described, reasons to live. to get his message out. why did he do all of this? the second thing is this report from his father is true, his father is expressing love for his son. now there is an uncle and family members in the washington suburbs expressing support or family love for the nephew. these are all reasons to live as well. he has to think about that and when he talks to the negotiators to think about maybe i should end the mission and live and go to court. it's going to play. it's going to play back and forth. it's very dynamic. he can blow himself up on the front po
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